When it comes to playing slot machines, the house doesn't always have to win. Abandoned credits/tickets & whether it’s finders keepers or property of the casino/state is constantly debated among many gamblers. There doesn’t More. Abandoned Credits.
Due to a recent post regarding abandoned TITOs, I reached out to several casinos to see what their policies are and how much they vary.
I'll keep an ongoing list each time I hear back from a casino. This will be interesting
Atlantis Casino Resort Spa (Reno)
Hi Joey! Any slot tickets found on property, including abandoned slot machine credits, need to be reported to a slot attendant immediately. Our team will them research the ticket/credits to determine which guest left the funds so we can deliver the money to the guest. Thanks for the question!
Borgata Hotel & Casino (NJ)
Hi Joey. We ask that anyone who finds a voucher or funds of any kind to turn it into security as taking any funds not belonging to you could be considered theft. Thank you!
Foxwoods (CT)
The information is proprietary to Foxwoods.
Gulfstream Park Casino (FL)
Hi Joey, Although no written policy, typical protocol calls for any tickets in the machine to be turned over to Security. If guests are witnessed to be pulling tickets from machines, it will be confirmed via surveillance and they will be asked to leave and given a warning.
Harrah's (NOLA)
Hi, yes the TITO should be returned to security or a slot attendant. If someone keeps it and the owner returns and we find them with it, they will be required to return it or face theft charges and ejection from all Ceasars propertys. Thank you!
Mohegan Sun @ Pocono Downs (PA)
Hi Joey, thanks for asking. Any found TITO ticket should be immediately turned over to the nearest casino employee. Use of a found TITO ticket is considered theft by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. Thanks again.
Resorts World Casino (NY)
New York State Gaming Commission rules and regulations states, all found vouchers should be turned into security as the voucher is live for one year. If someone happens to find a TITO voucher on the floor or next to a machine they MUST turn that voucher in to the cage or security otherwise it is considered theft.
Sugar House (PA)
There is “no finders keepers” provision in Pennsylvania. Failure to return found property can be considered theft although not normally prosecuted. Hope this helps.
Wynn (Vegas)
Good Morning Joey, We are unable to disclose internal policies that involve gaming regulations so we are unable to answer your questions regarding TITOs. Thank you
AxelWolf
Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
No. It may be a technique YOU use so as to decrease the chances of being caught. You won't look good in handcuffs, Axel....
onenickelmiracle
Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
Your claim would have to be you didn't realize there were credits there, wasn't paying attention, thought you hit something. Cannot be any other story than that, you'd have to play dumb, never admit there were credits there to begin with, say the machine was calling you, etc.
Of course you would be lying, but nobody can prove it. You never know, maybe you're schizophrenic and not really lying, you realized there were credits after you played, and your brain rearranged the events.FYI, I don't screw with abandoned credits, just the devil's advocate.
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AxelWolf
No. It may be a technique YOU use so as to decrease the chances of being caught. You won't look good in handcuffs, Axel....
Are you sure? If so, it sounds like this could lead to many innocent people getting f***ed. I am usually aware if there are credits left behind on a machine that I'm about to play. Usually, I cash out the ticket and lay it on top of the machine, but that's only to give the person a chance to come back and claim it, and because I don't want to risk having a problem with the casino. There have been times I have put even amounts of money in a machine and made all even bets, but when I cashed out there was an odd amount on the ticket. I can only assume there were credits on the machine when I started. I can imagine this happens accidentally many times per day, its sick to think anyone would get a fine and a criminal record for this.♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
DRich
Does it make any legal difference if you add your own money to a machine that has abandoned credits and just start playing?
I think it would because it would offer a reasonable plausible deniability and it would be hard for them to prove that your intent was to play someone elses abandoned credits. It would not help if you found a printed TITO and added money to that and played it.
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The article said a bunch of people are getting f****d for this in Coladorado. Originally I thought it was going to be some hippy article about how 'homeless people scrounging pennies off slot machines are people too' or something. From what I remember, some guy got like a 1 year ban from all CO casinos, plus a huge fine, and community service and/or some other stuff for playing on a machine that had $2 on it. I think it also listed the number of people getting 'caught' for this sorta thing, and it was some crazy number, definitely not in-line with something like 'only homeless people doing this // getting caught', but anyone who did it on accident sort of thing.I think it would because it would offer a reasonable plausible deniability and it would be hard for them to prove that your intent was to play someone elses abandoned credits. It would not help if you found a printed TITO and added money to that and played it.
It'd certainly help you, assuming you went the whole plausible deniability route. But either way, it would still be illegal. It's just that it would be harder to prove your intent and that it wasn't an accident. Either way, if they want to prosecute you for it, I remember an old saying, the ancient Hawaiians used to say, 'Ignorance of the law'....actually I don't remember the saying, but essentially it's your responsibility to know the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
darkoz
Why is no one reading Bob Nersesians books on here
He has successfully proven in court found money cases such as listed including one settlement for $750,000 when a chicago casino forced an elderly woman to walk back to her nursing home because they caught her cashing out a nickel (no not exageration a tito for five cents) and refused to let her board the return bus because it was on their property
Bob has proven these cases are common law universally and casinos are in fact the criminals
If you make a purchase in a department store and forget to take your change does the store have the right to claim it? Or are they supposed to put to the side to await your return?
If you drop money in a department store and another patron finds it does store security have the right to claim it belongs to them and backroom you?
Casinos are no different than any other private business.
These types of cases seem to need to be relitigated in every state. Look at the Maryland Live CC case where the police man was informed by the counter CC was not illegal as proven in Nevada and NJ. Cops response? 'This is Maryland and we have different laws'
Really? Stupid! Settlement out of court. Maryland casinos learning the hard way
Looks like Colorado casinos next
Only casinos allowed to break laws are Indian casinos which have basically been given license to act any way they please
He has successfully proven in court found money cases such as listed including one settlement for $750,000 when a chicago casino forced an elderly woman to walk back to her nursing home because they caught her cashing out a nickel (no not exageration a tito for five cents) and refused to let her board the return bus because it was on their property
Bob has proven these cases are common law universally and casinos are in fact the criminals
If you make a purchase in a department store and forget to take your change does the store have the right to claim it? Or are they supposed to put to the side to await your return?
If you drop money in a department store and another patron finds it does store security have the right to claim it belongs to them and backroom you?
Casinos are no different than any other private business.
These types of cases seem to need to be relitigated in every state. Look at the Maryland Live CC case where the police man was informed by the counter CC was not illegal as proven in Nevada and NJ. Cops response? 'This is Maryland and we have different laws'
Really? Stupid! Settlement out of court. Maryland casinos learning the hard way
Looks like Colorado casinos next
Only casinos allowed to break laws are Indian casinos which have basically been given license to act any way they please
AxelWolf
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The article said a bunch of people are getting f****d for this in Coladorado. Originally I thought it was going to be some hippy article about how 'homeless people scrounging pennies off slot machines are people too' or something. From what I remember, some guy got like a 1 year ban from all CO casinos, plus a huge fine, and community service and/or some other stuff for playing on a machine that had $2 on it. I think it also listed the number of people getting 'caught' for this sorta thing, and it was some crazy number, definitely not in-line with something like 'only homeless people doing this // getting caught', but anyone who did it on accident sort of thing.
It'd certainly help you, assuming you went the whole plausible deniability route. But either way, it would still be illegal. It's just that it would be harder to prove your intent and that it wasn't an accident. Either way, if they want to prosecute you for it, I remember an old saying, the ancient Hawaiians used to say, 'Ignorance of the law'....actually I don't remember the saying, but essentially it's your responsibility to know the law, and ignorance of the law is no excuse.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
darkozThanks for this post from:
I dont think she had to walk home looking the case over and it was not a nickel tito but a nickel token found abandoned in a slot tray as this took place in 2001 and looks like $875,000 award
Here is link to final court decision
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-6th-circuit/1101830.html
Here is link to final court decision
http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-6th-circuit/1101830.html
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Yes, tribal. That's the way all tribal casinos work in Arizona.
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